Commissioner walks out of EMS budget discussions
Commissioner John Pethel walked out of a budget meeting during talk of an EMS expense Aug. 6 as new EMS director Jason Lewis stood at the podium before the board of commissioners.
Pethel voiced dismay with a proposed increase in the budget for the county’s EMS medical director — from no charge in years past to $16,000 in 2011.
All EMS services are required by law to have a doctor oversee their paramedic practices. Some EMS services, particularly those with hospitals in their county, are served by medical directors at no charge, with some taking on the duty as part of their contract with the hospital. The medical director can be consulted by EMS leaders on proper patient care techniques.
Madison County’s long-time medical director Christopher Bostdorff informed county leaders earlier this year that he would no longer serve as director for free. He initially asked for $20,000 in 2011, but later agreed to perform the function for $16,000. He noted that providing the service to the county includes liability issues and that some pay is warranted.
Pethel said the increase is unnecessary and that the board could find a doctor to perform the function for free.
“That’s $16,000 in taxpayer money we shouldn’t have to pay,” said Pethel.
As the discussion continued, Pethel stacked his papers, stood up and walked out of the meeting.
“Fellows, knowing the things that I know about several things that are going on and has gone on in the past, I can’t sit here and go through this without saying some things I ought not to so and whatever y’all decide to do on this budget, it’s yours,” said Pethel to the board as he left the room.
The BOC adjourned the meeting for several minutes as commissioner Bruce Scogin went to talk to Pethel. The BOC re-opened the meeting about 10 minutes later, but Pethel had gone.
Commissioners urged Lewis, who has only had the director’s job for several months, “not to take it personally” that Pethel had walked out during Lewis’ budget discussions with the board.
“There’s a lot of history here,” BOC chairman Anthony Dove told Lewis, adding that he is doing a good job. Other commissioners also voiced support for Lewis.
Lewis said this week that he was a little surprised and found it “hard not to take it personally” when Pethel walked out as he stood before the board talking about EMS funding. However, he said he understands that people in public service will disagree from time to time.
“I think he and I just had a different view on what we expect from our emergency services physician,” said Lewis. “I don’t fault his opinion … We were both trying to do the right thing.”
Lewis noted that Bostdorff is president of the Georgia Emergency Medicine Specialists.
“It’s not that we want a doctor for this; we want this doctor,” said Lewis. “Dr. Bostdorff is very, very good. His credentials are impeccable.”
Lewis noted that EMS services in counties with hospitals often aren’t charged for medical director services, because physicians’ contracts with the hospitals stipulate that they will take on that duty. But he said he believes the days of free medical director services are coming to a close.
He said it’s not sensible that the “most highly educated person on our team is not compensated.”
Pethel called The Journal Friday and said he couldn’t stand to sit in the budget meeting any longer.
“I apologize for doing what I did, but I sat there and I was boiling,” said Pethel. “I took an oath to try to keep taxes down. But them throwing another $16,000 in there and me knowing the reason why it was. I just sat there as long as I could sit there.”
Pethel named five north Georgia counties that aren’t charged by their medical directors: Jackson, Banks, Franklin, Oglethorpe and Wilkes counties.
The district 2 commissioner said he knows some people will think he has personal feelings related to the county EMS. His son, John Pethel Jr., formerly served as the assistant director of Madison County EMS.
“People think I’m doing this because John once worked there and that’s absolutely not the reason,” said Pethel, who noted that his son is happy with his current job. “They probably think he’s a hot-head. But I just didn’t want to be a part of that.”
After Pethel left the meeting Friday, the board continued the discussion.
Dove noted that the days of free service from medical directors are coming to an end. He also spoke well of Bostdorff.
“He is a top-notch doctor who has been doing it for nothing,” said Dove.
Lewis pointed out that many volunteer medical directors have been primarily “a signature on a page.”
And Dove said he wants the medical director to be involved in EMS, someone who can be consulted and provide medical advice, not just someone who provides a legally mandated signature.
“We want someone who can oversee quality assurance and make sure things are done correctly,” he said.
The board discussed seeking a retired doctor to fill the role of medical director, but Dove noted that medical technology changes rapidly and that it’s good to have someone assisting EMS who is working in a hospital and up to speed on changes.
“It’s an asset to have someone who can guide you,” said Dove of the medical director.
Commissioner Stanley Thomas said he favors having someone in the medical director’s role who has experience, not someone who is young and searching for something that looks good on a resume.
“Do you want someone who heads up a field or someone looking for a feather in their cap?” asked Thomas. “You get what you pay for.”
The proposed 2011 county budget, which can now be reviewed at the county commissioners’ office, includes the $16,000 for the medical director’s position.
All EMS services are required by law to have a doctor oversee their paramedic practices. Some EMS services, particularly those with hospitals in their county, are served by medical directors at no charge, with some taking on the duty as part of their contract with the hospital. The medical director can be consulted by EMS leaders on proper patient care techniques.
Madison County’s long-time medical director Christopher Bostdorff informed county leaders earlier this year that he would no longer serve as director for free. He initially asked for $20,000 in 2011, but later agreed to perform the function for $16,000. He noted that providing the service to the county includes liability issues and that some pay is warranted.
Pethel said the increase is unnecessary and that the board could find a doctor to perform the function for free.
“That’s $16,000 in taxpayer money we shouldn’t have to pay,” said Pethel.
As the discussion continued, Pethel stacked his papers, stood up and walked out of the meeting.
“Fellows, knowing the things that I know about several things that are going on and has gone on in the past, I can’t sit here and go through this without saying some things I ought not to so and whatever y’all decide to do on this budget, it’s yours,” said Pethel to the board as he left the room.
The BOC adjourned the meeting for several minutes as commissioner Bruce Scogin went to talk to Pethel. The BOC re-opened the meeting about 10 minutes later, but Pethel had gone.
Commissioners urged Lewis, who has only had the director’s job for several months, “not to take it personally” that Pethel had walked out during Lewis’ budget discussions with the board.
“There’s a lot of history here,” BOC chairman Anthony Dove told Lewis, adding that he is doing a good job. Other commissioners also voiced support for Lewis.
Lewis said this week that he was a little surprised and found it “hard not to take it personally” when Pethel walked out as he stood before the board talking about EMS funding. However, he said he understands that people in public service will disagree from time to time.
“I think he and I just had a different view on what we expect from our emergency services physician,” said Lewis. “I don’t fault his opinion … We were both trying to do the right thing.”
Lewis noted that Bostdorff is president of the Georgia Emergency Medicine Specialists.
“It’s not that we want a doctor for this; we want this doctor,” said Lewis. “Dr. Bostdorff is very, very good. His credentials are impeccable.”
Lewis noted that EMS services in counties with hospitals often aren’t charged for medical director services, because physicians’ contracts with the hospitals stipulate that they will take on that duty. But he said he believes the days of free medical director services are coming to a close.
He said it’s not sensible that the “most highly educated person on our team is not compensated.”
Pethel called The Journal Friday and said he couldn’t stand to sit in the budget meeting any longer.
“I apologize for doing what I did, but I sat there and I was boiling,” said Pethel. “I took an oath to try to keep taxes down. But them throwing another $16,000 in there and me knowing the reason why it was. I just sat there as long as I could sit there.”
Pethel named five north Georgia counties that aren’t charged by their medical directors: Jackson, Banks, Franklin, Oglethorpe and Wilkes counties.
The district 2 commissioner said he knows some people will think he has personal feelings related to the county EMS. His son, John Pethel Jr., formerly served as the assistant director of Madison County EMS.
“People think I’m doing this because John once worked there and that’s absolutely not the reason,” said Pethel, who noted that his son is happy with his current job. “They probably think he’s a hot-head. But I just didn’t want to be a part of that.”
After Pethel left the meeting Friday, the board continued the discussion.
Dove noted that the days of free service from medical directors are coming to an end. He also spoke well of Bostdorff.
“He is a top-notch doctor who has been doing it for nothing,” said Dove.
Lewis pointed out that many volunteer medical directors have been primarily “a signature on a page.”
And Dove said he wants the medical director to be involved in EMS, someone who can be consulted and provide medical advice, not just someone who provides a legally mandated signature.
“We want someone who can oversee quality assurance and make sure things are done correctly,” he said.
The board discussed seeking a retired doctor to fill the role of medical director, but Dove noted that medical technology changes rapidly and that it’s good to have someone assisting EMS who is working in a hospital and up to speed on changes.
“It’s an asset to have someone who can guide you,” said Dove of the medical director.
Commissioner Stanley Thomas said he favors having someone in the medical director’s role who has experience, not someone who is young and searching for something that looks good on a resume.
“Do you want someone who heads up a field or someone looking for a feather in their cap?” asked Thomas. “You get what you pay for.”
The proposed 2011 county budget, which can now be reviewed at the county commissioners’ office, includes the $16,000 for the medical director’s position.
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Yep. And they would be right. All anyone has to do is read previous articles from this very website to know that is absolutely true.
What 'oath' did you take Johnny? Is that part of the swearing in ceremony?
You sir, are the very reason this county has spent over a quarter of a million dollars on a ridiculous law suit that could have been settled by replacing a bridge within in a reasonable amount of time instead of sitting on your hands and doing nothing. Do the county a favor and continue to stay away from the meetings. Let the grown-ups run the county's business and you can pout and cry then call the newspaper and try to justify your childish actions.
And another thing that gets me is there has to be a doctor to oversee the EMS and Pethel thinks he should do this for free? Would Pethel work for free? How many doctors you know that work for free? That's right NONE. Doctors make very good money.
I hope the people in his district are PROUD of their commissioner......you voted him in.
Why is Dove so eager to give away our tax dollars while residents of these 5 surrounding counties have commissioners who are saving tax dollars on this service?
If the "end is near" there is certainly no advantage to being the first county to throw away $16,000. Why not wait and see if the end really is near and let these other counties take the plunge? Why so eager to toss away money?
Sorry, folks, but Pethel is right on this one. It's been a few years since I talked to John. He's doing a better job.
When the fight started with Hoss Cartwright over Sam Bruce road. I thought John Pethel had a back bone with OUR money? And by our I mean US the TAXPAYERS BUT I was wrong.
and for HIS childish acts at the last meeting. I know this won't ever happen because he's not man enough to admit he was wrong. Hope the 472 people who re-elected him in district 2 are proud of your boy now.
You also said "We the People won" Well you must be so proud of yourself? You elected a spoiled brat.
Here's a twist make Pethel stand at the red light with a sign that says WHEN I GET MAD I ACT LIKE A CHILD IS THIS WHAT MADISON COUNTY WANTS.
I have recently noticed that Madison County has the highest property taxes of all the surrounding counties, including Athens-Clark. I suppose this is why we are managing to stay in the black.
Pethel says (regarding his son): "They probably think he's a hot-head." Acknowledging that the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.
He would be more respected if he would of just stayed, stated his opinion, and presented facts.
He reminds me of a selfish, spoiled child...when they don't get their way, they throw down their toys and go home. Not a way to run a business.
Pethel may be going through a midlife crisis? And he may need a mental checkup?
And John Pethel don't care about how well the EMS is trained,staffed, or that their equipment is up to date and on the cutting edge until he needs them then he will want the best possible treatment? I hope Madison Co.still has trained and Qualified people working when you need them John?
Jason Lewis is well qualified to run his department. Do you work for that department? Probably not. I'm sure if you did, you would know his open door policy and his ability to take input is far greater than any other director's would be. You run your mouth from afar like your some your stuff doesn't stink! This refusal you think you know about was well before Director Lewis ever took over the EMS department.
"firecapt2", don't come on this board trying to incite a stink with your underprepared, half-a**ed truths. Did you apply for the job? There must be a reason you didn't get it? Maybe because you think you're what's hot in the world today. Your attitude and personality smell of shame.
I'm sure these board members you speak of know a whole hell of a lot more than you do. Director Lewis in the few short months he has taken on the role of leader has already pushed this service into a direction that wasn't possible before. You're a supposed fire captain, you're not first in charge and are you a paramedic? Or you a BASIC? Are you even in a paid department as a captain? Does your FIRE department have an EMS service? Are you in charge of anything in this fire based EMS service? I'm going to say probably not! You can't spout off about someone not knowing what they are doing when you yourself has no clue on how to operate a stretcher.
As for paid medical directors, you will be seeing the end of free rides. Doctor's malpractice insurance has to cover what they sign off on. The time it takes to quarterly maintain training records, standing orders and training is well worth more than 16,000. For goodness sakes, people at McDonald's make more than 16k a year. These other services that the one and only J. Pethel mentioned in this article either have an old in town family physician that has been with the service for 20 years or they are based in a county with hospitals. The hospitals that the county services take transfers out of and make money for these said hospitals.
As for "paramedic" on post #13, See the above comment in my last paragraph. There must be a reason you are no longer with any of these services. "Paramedic", please stop your non-sense as well. It's easy to speak from outside the door in the calm. There is no greasing wheels. It is doing what is best for our service and our citizens. That is the number one bottom line goal here. To look out for the citizens.
With the good ole boy system going out John Pethel and all the other good ole boys that are in office just like him that are just looking for a free ride need to go out just like this system.
Everything from your property value to the amount of money you have to pay each year. We are over taxed! But there's nothing you cando about it as long as the BOC controls the Tax Office.
*eg*
You know they started calling George Jones "NO SHOW JONES" years ago because he wouldn't show up for concerts. Maybe we should start calling John Pethel "WALK OUT PETHEL".