Danielsville removes city worker bonuses

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Friday, December 23. 2011

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It may be the season of giving, but Danielsville city council members voted unanimously Monday night to take away a provision in their city code that gives city employees a $200 Christmas bonus each year.

The new ordinance leaves a bonus, if any, up to the council’s discretion.

Councilwoman Junne Temple made the motion at the end of the meeting, saying that it was not something the council wanted to do, but that was necessary to achieve a little bit of savings.

“It’s not our pleasure but something that has to be done,” she said.

In other business Monday night, mayor pro-tem Temple swore in newly-elected council member Tim Stamps, who defeated Ron Faust in last month’s elections. She also swore in Mayor Phillip Croya and councilman Jamie Spurlin to second terms.

The council voted to extend police chief Matt Pilkington’s probationary time from Dec. 8 to Feb. 8. Pilkington was hired Aug. 8. The council discussed issues Mayor Croya had with Pilkington in a closed session during November’s council meeting, but took no action.

Temple thanked Pilkington for a detailed police report, including mileage and fuel costs that he provided the council this month.

The council also agreed to make four monthly payments to the city auditors on their 2011 audit.

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#1 Resident Redneck on 12/23/11 at 08:33 PM [Reply]

But what I want to know is did city workers get the bonus this year or not and if the city council did in fact vote not to give the city workers a bonus this year that means the city council and the Mayor shouldn't get a bonus either? I know I know they will say they are not city workers. They ain't workers at all but they do get a pay check from the city of Danielsville? But they probably got theirs before they voted.

#1.1 ben on 12/27/11 at 07:52 PM [Reply]

you can bet your butt that the higher ups got their bonus anlong with their high paid jobs.
we voted these people in so remember this when you vote again.

#1.1.1 Resident Redneck on 12/28/11 at 03:39 PM [Reply]

ben- You are right. They probably said well we only have so much money so we will split it between ourselves and tell the real workers we can't afford to give a Christmas bonus this year? They probably said we'll tell them times are hard and what can they do about it? All they can do is quit then they will have NO money?

#1.1.1.1 Ms.K on 12/28/11 at 07:08 PM [Reply]

"All they can do is quit then they will have NO money?"

Well, I guess that quote puts things in perspective, doesn't it? Perhaps these days just having a job is good enough. Are any employees complaining? It does seem "dirty pool" to negate this at the last minute when employees have been counting on that $200 all year. They should get the promised $200 together with the future rescending of the promise.

It would be nice if journalists would offer thorough articles covering all things the public might want to know. I get really tired of half-stories, mostly in publications other than the Madison County Journal. Poor journalism is rampant everywhere!

As to bonuses for "higher ups", why make comments about their greed when there is no information here about it? I see ben didn't bet his own "butt" but suggested that others could. Such ridiculous whining!

#2 Anonymous on 12/26/11 at 08:15 AM [Reply]

So Croya cant get along with this police officer either? I don't understand, did anyone run against him? I'm glad Ron Faust got sent packing---his comments on here were not becoming of a man in his position.

#2.1 ron faust on 12/27/11 at 10:21 AM [Reply]

Yeah,the truth always hurts to those that don't want to hear it....Tell you what,you sit on the other side of the table for 2 years and then come talk to me about my bad job as a councilman.But who am i kidding.You don't want the other side or you would ask it before you shot off your mouth now wouldn't you.Thank you for your feedback.

#2.2 Ron Faust on 12/27/11 at 10:22 AM [Reply]

And ,at least, my comments have my name on them.....Just saying.....

#2.2.1 Just Sayin' on 12/28/11 at 11:45 AM [Reply]

Sometimes it's just nice to sit back and watch the cookie crumble...Just Sayin'

#2.3 Ms.K on 12/27/11 at 10:34 PM [Reply]

How is it that you think that Mr. Croya can't get along with his police officer and which police officer would that be? Can you tell us why you are glad Mr. Faust "got sent packing" and what you mean by "got sent packing"? Also, what exactly were Mr. Faust's "unbecoming" comments on this forum and why do you consider them "unbecoming"? Your post really has nothing at all to offer the readers here. Try again.

#2.3.1 Redneck MC on 12/29/11 at 09:16 AM [Reply]

Ms. K you seem by your posting to be anal retentive. Get a life. My view of bonus is that economy tough-we pay our MC employee's more than adequately. We probably have to many employees for that matter. I work 60+ hours week and my bonus is my pay check. Stop bonuses.

#2.3.1.1 Resident Redneck on 12/29/11 at 09:13 PM [Reply]

Redneck MC_ Who is anal retentive?I agree maybe they should cut the bonuses out BUT cut them out at the first of the year. Don't let people work all year thinking they are going to get a Christmas bonus and come up a couple weeks before Christmas and tell them they ain't getting one. This proves the city of Danielsville does not value their employees because if they did they wouldn't promise something all year just to yank it away at the last minute.
And I understnd all about the economy but the Mayor and council knew way before Dec. that the employees were not going to get a bonus.

#2.3.1.2 Ms.K on 12/29/11 at 09:38 PM [Reply]

What does Mr. Faust, Mr. Croya or a police officer have to do with bonuses now? Since my quest for clarifications has befuddled you, allow me to explain that I am seeking reasoned, well-supported comments on this site. Personal accusations and name-calling are rude and pointless. Speculation is ridiculous. Please offer something useful and understandable; otherwise you are wasting your time and that of the readers here.

#2.3.1.3 Ms.K on 12/30/11 at 12:39 AM [Reply]

Since when has asking questions been associated with anal retention? Do you even understand the term? Or did you use it to try to be clever or smirky thinking it would embarrass me? Psychology was my major in college; here is what it means:

"The term anal-retentive (also anally retentive), commonly abbreviated to anal, is used conversationally to describe a person who pays such attention to detail that the obsession becomes an annoyance to others, and can be carried out to the detriment of the anal-retentive person. The term derives from Freudian psychoanalysis. People who are said to be anal-retentive usually suffer from obsessive–compulsive personality disorder."

The opposite personality is called anal-expulsive; have a good snicker over that one! I never was a fan of Freud. Fortunately, he has been largely debunked.

#2.3.1.3.1 MSM on 01/12/12 at 08:57 AM [Reply]

You HAVE to be most educated poster here.These same people post their drivel every time the City Council is mentioned. Thanks for a level headed comment and an interest in pursuing the truth here.

#3 onewhowonders on 12/28/11 at 06:44 PM [Reply]

Since the council (J.T. and P.C.)fought so hard in keeping x-employees from receiving unemployment, (city not paying out tax for this like majority of employers do) you would think the city would have the money for employee bonusus. Talk about Christmas grinches!

#3.1 Anonymous on 12/28/11 at 07:43 PM [Reply]

onewhowonders- You don't understand. The Mayor and council probably got their bonus? But after they got their bonus there wasn't enough left for employees? And you know if it comes down to the Mayor and council or the city employees( the people who actually do the work) getting a bonus You know who will get the short end of that stick.

#3.1.1 Ms.K on 12/29/11 at 09:47 PM [Reply]

R.R., you don't know what transpired regarding bonuses so how can you speculate and make up scenarios about it? Try removing the word "probably" from your posts; that will force you to do a little research and be respected for knowing what you are talking about. You seem to resent anybody who you think has it better than you. That negativity is endlessly tiresome, not to mention useless.

#3.1.1.1 Resident Redneck on 12/30/11 at 08:21 AM [Reply]

Good try lady. Reminds me of the teachers I had who talked about what to do in life but did not do it themselves. Your the grasshopper type I would assume by the way. Too many grasshoppers and when our debt comes to a point like in Europe who will bail you out. Not me as I am tried of 60+ hr weeks and paying the way of others. My bonus in life is getting 8 hrs of sleep occasionally.

#3.1.1.1.1 Ms.K on 12/30/11 at 10:42 PM [Reply]

Not a good try, RR. In spite of no capital letters, no improper question marks and fairly complete sentences here, I have no idea what you are talking about. I almost never use the word "probably". What is a "grasshopper type"? I am completely debt-free with a paid-off house and minimal expenses; I have always carried my own weight (and with a child in tow). What does that have to do with our national debt?

#3.1.1.1.1.1 Resident Redneck on 01/02/12 at 11:14 AM [Reply]

Ms.K- I think I should clear something up? This Resident Redneck who posted comment No.3.1.1.1. is not ME I have NO problems with you or your constant correcting me I know you is only trying to help me? This is an imposter posting under my name? I don't know if they are trying to make all yall mad at me BECAUSE of their unthought out post. OR if they just don't have the mental power to think up their own name? They sound like alot of people in Washington DC running this country? They remind me of those people who NEVER take the blame when they should be blamed it's always someones fault BUT theirs. BUT when credit is given out they are the first in line to grab it even if they didn't do nothing to deserve it? One more thing??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

#3.1.1.1.1.1.1 Ms.K on 01/03/12 at 12:28 PM [Reply]

Now, this reads like you. I didn't think you would use "grasshopper" in a post. Your posts can sometimes be confusing, but that one just made no sense whatsoever. There is some justification for the use of "screen" names on commenting boards, but to actually steal an existing name when one can remain anonymous by simply typing in one letter is incomprehensible.

#3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Resident Redneck on 01/03/12 at 08:45 PM [Reply]

Ms. K- YEP these wanna be's can try to copy me BUT anyone who knows me and knows how I talk, think, and write knows which post are really mine. Someone told me to just change my screen name? I said why should I change mine? I have already changed several times already because people keep posting under my name AND I also said I've had this one for a while and everybody knows me as Resident Redneck. Because I am a resident of this here county and I am a Redneck.

#3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Ms.K on 01/04/12 at 03:38 PM [Reply]

Keep your name. In the big picture it doesn't matter because the "who" of these comments are not important. What's important is the issues discussed; it doesn't matter whose ideas they are. That is why we are all anonymous - to focus attention on issues instead of personalities.

#3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Resident Redneck on 01/04/12 at 06:40 PM [Reply]

Ms. K- I understand that BUT whoever this that is trying to be me by posting under my name is making people mad at ME because of what they are saying AND I don't need no help from them, I can offend people all by myself. I is responsible for me and what I say and do? Personally between you and me(or I) I think they must have a sad lonely life now since their brain was taken out and now all they can do is copy someone else BUT WHY ME? I've lived my life once and let me tell you it wasn't that much fun.

#4 Philip Croya on 01/02/12 at 02:10 AM [Reply]

Just come to the meetings, and you can see how we do things. The bonus was going to be cut last year but we did not get it done, so they got it last year. Everyone that works for this city knew that the bonus was going to be cut to 25.00. We do not get bonuses, but the only way you would know this is ask, or come to the meetings. I do like to read this stuff on here, but it would mean more if you tell everyone who you are.

#4.1 Just Sayin' on 01/03/12 at 02:51 PM [Reply]

"... but it would mean more if you tell everyone who you are."

Why would it mean more if you knew who everyone was? I see no reason why this would be important.

#4.1.1 Ms.K on 01/04/12 at 03:33 PM [Reply]

I absolutely agree. This seems a very odd thing to say when dealing with the general public, as if to say some citizens are more influential than others (good old boy syndrome?). Anyone's comment here could reflect many other people's thoughts so responses should address the issue, not the person. In fact all responses here should avoid addressing the individual commenter. It is the nature of this medium to be anonymous; I think that is both a good thing and a bad thing. Ignore the posts that whine and attack without supporting reasoning and listen to those that do offer substance.

#4.1.1.1 Anon on 01/05/12 at 08:24 AM [Reply]

Your posting style very similar to Ms. Moss.

#4.1.1.1.1 Ms.K on 01/06/12 at 06:04 PM [Reply]

I've noticed that, too. I find I like what she advocates for the most part and so I "second" it by repeating those ideas. I guess I'm not as original as I'd like to think I am, but good reasoning bears repeating.

Hey, Ms. Moss, let's get together to talk issues! Maybe the paper could connect us. Oh, wait; then I would lose my anonymity. Not a good idea; never mind.

#4.1.1.1.1.1 Virginia Moss on 01/07/12 at 08:04 PM [Reply]

I'm flattered and thank you. I find I do agree with many of your thoughts as well.

#4.2 anon on 01/12/12 at 02:12 PM [Reply]

Why would anyone post there name and have Mr. Croya set the police on them as he has done in the past

#5 Virginia Moss on 01/02/12 at 01:21 PM [Reply]

".... the only way you would know this is ask, or come to the meetings."

Thanks for clarifying some things here. Is there any other way for citizens to know what has transpired in City government? These days people expect to find information on the internet. Madison County has video of its commission meetings on its web site. Can citizens access minutes of your meetings on the internet? Perhaps the City could maintain an e-mail list of interested people who could recieve updates of recent meeting minutes to stay informed.

#5.1 Ms.K on 01/05/12 at 02:33 PM [Reply]

This is a great question and I wonder why, if Mr. Croya reads these posts, we still don't have an answer. Internet access to City government would be very useful. Do we have that now?

#5.1.1 Resident Redneck on 01/05/12 at 07:28 PM [Reply]

Ms. K- I doubt i t because they don't want the citizens to have that much access. If in fact it is Mr. Croya that is posting here he said if the citizens want to know what's going on they can come to the meetings but I'd bet if lets just say 30 citizens showed up for these meetings that they say WE all have a right to attend and started asking questions they would vote to go into a closed door session and we would all have to leave?

#5.1.2 Anon on 01/06/12 at 10:42 AM [Reply]

Why would he want to respond. Some people a response to a question no matter what is never enough. We remind ourselves of human issues at Easter.

#5.1.3 Virginia Moss on 01/11/12 at 04:53 PM [Reply]

Well, now we know why Mr. Croya has neglected to communicate with this forum. Apparently, he has resigned as mayor of Danielsville.

#5.1.3.1 Resident Redneck on 01/11/12 at 09:24 PM [Reply]

Virginia- Huh? I haven't heard nothing about that? I wonder if he resigned by text message, grew a set and did it in person, or he just left one day and didn't come back to work? I guess we may have been to hard on him by asking him for answers that he couldn't provide, and all of our jokes about text messaging? If he can't handle our comments and questions he needs to end his political carrer now because he will never make it in the big time?

#5.1.3.1.1 Virginia Moss on 01/12/12 at 02:34 PM [Reply]

Oops; I should have said, ".... according to the Athens Banner-Herald."

#6 Ms.K on 01/07/12 at 08:01 PM [Reply]

If Mr. Croya has no single general public response to such a straight-forward question, maybe he prefers to give different answers to different people, again, suggesting the good old boy syndrome at work.

#6.1 Anonymous on 01/09/12 at 02:57 PM [Reply]

Why would he want to give response as no use discussing things with some people.

#6.1.1 Resident Redneck on 01/09/12 at 05:43 PM [Reply]

nonymous- I think you are the people you are talking about? It would do no good discussing anything with you. And you my friend could use some lessons from Ms, K and Ms. Moss to help you learn to form complete sentences that make sense.

#6.1.1.1 Ben Had on 01/10/12 at 09:09 AM [Reply]

Imposter!

#6.1.1.1.1 Virginia Moss on 01/12/12 at 03:18 PM [Reply]

#7 sawdust on 01/08/12 at 10:16 AM [Reply]

The city of D;ville has to cut all corners in order to pay the city attorney for four or five hours each meeting while the mayor and a council lady run their mouths about nothing.

#8 MSM on 01/12/12 at 09:18 AM [Reply]

Information regarding the City of Danielsville and the City Council is Public Record. Neither the Council nor the Mayor receives any type of bonus. And, Ben, if you think being paid less than $1200.00 a year is making big bucks,I feel for you. I strongly suggest that those spouting their venomous drivel get off their soap boxes and run for the job of Mayor or councilman. The TRUTH will set you free!!

#8.1 anon on 01/12/12 at 02:04 PM [Reply]

Hooray for Mr. Croya quitting. Him and this city council has hurt a lot of people. As for The Police Chief I say fantastic job. Mr. Croya wanted to ride around in the police car with his police shirt and gun on like he did with the last policeman. Doesn't he know this is absurd and a crime.We got rid of one councilman,Mr Faust, and that was a great day. Now Mrs Temple will be Mayor. God help us because she is the trouble with this council. Wish we could get decent council members who want to help Danielsville and not destroy it.

#8.1.1 MC taxpayer on 01/12/12 at 03:49 PM [Reply]

Anon on 1-12-12 : you post like Ms. Moss and Ms. K.

#8.1.1.1 Ms.K on 01/12/12 at 04:50 PM [Reply]

Sooooo..... What is your point? Do you agree or disagree with any of us? Please offer everyone here something to chew on.

#8.2 Resident Redneck on 01/12/12 at 06:36 PM [Reply]

MSM- I can't be Mayor, Council man, or anything to do with politics I'm to honest.

#8.2.1 MSM on 01/16/12 at 01:28 PM [Reply]

Too honest...yeah.
The council lost two honest and hard working individuals that had the chutzpah to TRY and get the City into decent financial shape. The Madison County Commission was in deep trouble until Anthony Dove came on the scene replacing Wesley Nash and doing what was needed to straighten things out.
Some on the City Council of Danielsville, who used to have 30 minute meetings, don't want any changes. And I can't wait to see what happens if Ms. Temple stays Mayor. I doubt she wants the job as she feels too important as a voting council member. I wonder if it isn't time for her to hang it up as she seems to be stuck in her old ways. Who knows?
At least if the City fails and is no longer chartered, some of you whiners will have other things to talk about. Just Saying......

#8.2.1.1 Resident Redneck on 01/16/12 at 07:14 PM [Reply]

MSM- They may have been honest and hard working before they got the job but I have seen politics and power ruin many good people.

#9 Will on 01/13/12 at 09:37 AM [Reply]

What's up with this town? Why so much drama all the time?

#9.1 Resident Redneck on 01/13/12 at 12:05 PM [Reply]

Will- Haven't you heard about the small town drama? Danielsville has it at it's best? Or worst?

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